Author David W. Daniels refutes King James Bible translation "errors" discussed on a radio show by Dr. Robert A. Morey."

On October 24th, 2015, Tim Berends had a guest host on his program, “Jesus and Tim in Las Vegas.” Dr. Robert A. Morey has been a pastor, a radio show host and a professor. He has written many books over the years. He has a lot of background and information on many topics. But on Tim Berends’ broadcast he chose to cast many accusations against the King James Bible.

Tim has spent his adult life leading many to faith in Jesus Christ, and in promoting trust in God’s words, the faith-building King James Bible. In 26 minutes, Dr. Morey, along with a co-host, said people should not trust the King James Bible, especially when trying to win souls out of the many cults. His main focus for this broadcast was his rejection of the way that the King James translates the Hebrew word sheōl and the Greek word hadēs.

These doubt-building, faith-destroying claims must be answered. They cannot be allowed to stand on their own. Whether they were said in great ignorance, or because of believing his professors or others’ teachings, they still are harmful to the common believers in Christ, as well as new believers in His words. It is time they were given a full response. And that is what I do here.

You are free to click the links to specific claims I answer, or to read the entire transcript and my responses. In the end, I want for you to be confident that the King James Bible you hold in your hands is not only fully reliable, but also the perfect words of God in English, that will speak to any age, generation or religion.

Please remember to pray for Brother Morey and his co-host Bobby. What they did was serious, but it is no different from what other professors and preachers do on a daily basis. May God forgive them and lead them into all the truth. There are always consequences to slandering God's words.

God bless you as you read.

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Summary of Main Points

Did the KJV mistranslate sheol and hades as “the grave” or “hell”?

• Where does the KJV translate the Greek Hades as “the grave”?
• Why is Sheol sometimes translated “the grave”?
• Why is Sheol sometimes translated “hell”?
• When should Sheol or Hades be translated as “hell” or “the grave”?
• Did Sheol originally mean, “hollowed-out”?
• Is Sheol ever translated by “kever”?
• Is Hades a compound term?
• How many times does the untranslated Sheol appear in Bibles?
• How many times does the untranslated Hades appear in Bibles?
• Does Hades mean “death”?
• What is the regular Greek word for the “grave”?
• Is it true that no Greek or Hebrew scholar would say Hades or Sheol is the grave?
• List: How Sheol is translated throughout the KJV Old Testament

Is the KJV a changed Bible?

• Is it true that no one can own or read a 1611 King James?
• Where did the “Wicked Bible” come from?

What Bibles did God actually inspire?

• Are only the Original Autographs inspired of God?
• Does God inspire translations?

What is the Septuagint, anyway?

• Was the Septuagint translated by faithful men?
• Is there such a thing as a simple “Septuagint Old Testament”?

Do these passages mean what Morey said they mean?

• Does Job 38:17 really say “the realm of spirits”?
• Is Ecclesiastes 1-11 really just a humanist look upon life?
• Does it say that angels that sinned are “being tormented,” in 2 Peter 2:4?

Which Bible does Morey believe and trust?

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Morey:
You are listening to Jesus and Tim in Sin City — Las Vegas.
He is out proclaiming the gospel in Phoenix today. And he’s asked me, Dr. Bob Morey, of FaithDefenders.com, to substitute for him. And it’s my pleasure and honor to do so. I’ve known Tim, my lands, over 30 years, support his ministry. I hope you are, too. He is doing a wonderful work of spreading the gospel all over the world, by putting good tracts in the hands of the millions of tourists that we have coming into Las Vegas. You want to spread the gospel throughout the world? Then go to jesusandtim.org. And you need to donate to keep this program on the air, and to support him, while he lives his life for Christ.

Well, today I have in the studio a friend Bobby. Bobby, introduce yourself.

Bobby:
Hello, Dr. Bob. My name is Bobby. I’m also a good friend of Tim’s. I met him around three years ago while I was incarcerated. And by the grace of God, I’m, you know, still going strong for Jesus.

Morey:
Amen. This is one case where a prison conversion happened to be real.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
I boast about it to all my friends. I say, “I know a guy that it’s real.” Usually they get converted in prison, and when they get out, they get converted again, but back to the drugs and the heathen style.

Bobby:
Yes, I’ve done that for a long time. And, you know, just a belief of just a prayer saving you is not true.

Morey:
Yeah, now, while you were lost, in darkness and sin, you got involved with Satanism, got your body tattooed, you were involved in drugs, and, well, it’s best not to speak of —

Bobby and Morey:
All the things...

Morey:
...that... Now, did you have in the back of your mind you were going to hell? Did it cross your mind?

Bobby:
It... You know, it wasn’t really a concern. I have to say the emptiness within was so overbearing of my life, that I just didn’t care, and didn’t really at times want to live. Didn’t want to die. I just wanted, you know, to know what true love was. And I never knew that, because I was —

Morey (over Bobby):
Well, the feeling of it, the feeling, yeah

Morey:
That’s the temporary —what the drug’ll do you.

Bobby:
The temporary the drug’ll do. And the real true love is what Jesus did on that cross for me while I still was a sinner, while I still wa—

Morey (over Bobby):
Even while we were still sinners, God demonstrated His love ...

Bobby:
For us —

Where does the King James Bible translate the
Greek Hades as “the grave”?

Morey:
Well, folks, one of the key things that the cults use, to drag people out of Christian churches, and the cults, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the ‘World Tomorrow’ [imitating Worldwide Church of God founder Herbert W. Armstrong], the Seventh Day Adventists, the Christadelphian, I mean, the cults are a dime a dozen these days, they all use the King James, which mistranslates that Greek word Hades,

Bobby:
Yes

Morey:
...as “the grave.”

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Why is Sheol sometimes translated “the grave”?

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Why is Sheol sometimes translated “hell”?

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When should Sheol or Hades be translated as
“hell” or “the grave”?

Morey:
Now this is the hope of every wicked person, that at death you go in the grave, and that’s it! You’re off scot-free, baby! Hah hah! No consequences, no torment, no punishment, no suffering! Baby, you lived your life to the max, and when you die...

Bobby:
Annihilationism.

Morey:
...well, that’s it. And you see, this is the problem we face. People still don’t understand that 1611 they only had...approximately... 5¹⁄₂ Greek New Testaments, none of them complete.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Uh, there weren’t that many Hebrew texts. The... scholars back in 1611 did not have the resources we have now of thousands of Greek manuscripts, thousands of Hebrew, you see.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
And they made a mistake!

Bobby:
Yep, it happens.

Morey:
The word hades... You say, “What in the world [unintelligible] is Hades?” Well, that’s gonna become important, because you might end up in there. Now if you’re driving your car, and you say, “What are you talking about? Hell, death and the grave?” Yeah, because, one, we all headed toward the grave.

Bobby:
Yes, difference —

Morey:
—And if you don’t drive any better, that’s where you’re goin’, right now. Or you’re on dope and drugs, you’re flirtin’ with it.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
But the Bible says the grave is not the end.

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
It is the door, that you move on to another realm.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
And the Bible tells us there’s a realm of ... pleasure, in the sense of comfort and love, not the Muslim pleasure, where you’re runnin’ around and havin’ all the women you want and all the men you want... Matter of fact, Jesus, did He not in the New Testament say that two people died, Lazarus as the guy, and the rich man, where is that found?

Bobby:
It’s found in Luke 16, I believe verses 19 through 31.

Morey:
Yeah, and he said, um, two men died, and one ended up in the afterlife, in Abraham’s bosom; the other ended up in torment.

Bobby:
In Hades.

Morey:
So regardless of what the Seventh Day Adventists, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Christadelphians, the... all the various different cults say, when you die, you’re gonna either experience torment, over all the wicked you did,

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Or, by accepting Christ as your Saviour, He paid OFF all the evil that you did...

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
...and you will be at the right hand, along with Jesus, you’ll be in heaven, Paul said, “Absent from the body,” what?

Bobby:
...to be present with the Lord.

Morey:
Present with the Lord. He said now to die and to be with Christ is far better, or far worse?

Bobby:
Better.

Morey:
Far better. And for me it is what?

Bobby:
It is... it is...

Morey:
Gain!

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Now see, if the authors of the New Testament felt, Well, when I die, I flop in the grave, that’s it, like a dead dog... can’t fellowship with God, can’t ... that would be a loss.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
But you’re [a true] believer, walking with God and worshipping God is important.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
So the fact that Hebrews 12 says the saints who were now in heaven worship God ... there with the assembly of the angels and the seraphim and the cherubim... Now, I know that’s a bold statement. ‘Cause the King James nutcases think the King James is inspired. We’re not gonna do a show on it this time. We can do one [on] it later, there were three editions—

Bobby:
Yes.

—in 1611... The King James you hold in your hand today was revised by one scholar from Cambridge, one in Oxford, in the 1830s...

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Is it true that no one can own or read a 1611 King James?

Morey:
So these people say “Ah buhleeev in the 1611, King Jame—”...they don’t even own one! Do they?

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
They never saw! They couldn’t read it if they wanted to. But see, the King James is a translation.

Bobby:
Translation, yes.

Morey:
Now am I saying the Bible is wrong...

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
...or a translation of the Bible is wrong?

Bobby:
Translation ... has made some mistakes.

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Are only the Original Autographs inspired of God?

Morey:
Now you’ve learned in the three years you have been saved, uh, that God revealed, uh, His truth to us, in the Old Testament, what we call in the Hebrew, and Aramaic, and in the New Testament, in Greek.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Now that’s what He inspired.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
He didn’t inspire the King James, or some Spanish edition. These are versions.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Uh, these are translations.

Bobby:
Of the original manuscripts.

Morey:
Yeah!

Bobby:
Which are originally inspired.

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Where did the “Wicked Bible” come from?

Morey:
And the translators... corrected themselves, about five or six times, giving edition after edition after edition. I think of the “wicked” Bible, that was produced by the same group, that when it was printed, the word “not,” N-O-T, was left out of the Seventh Commandment.

Bobby:
Hmm hmm hmm hmm hmmm! (low laughs)

Morey:
Instead of saying, “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” it says, “Thou shalt commit adultery.”

Bobby:
Oh, my.

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Does God inspire translations?

Morey:
Now anybody says, “Wellllllllllllllll, it’s inspiiiiiiiired, we can’t change it,” well, better go out quick, and find a hussy!

Bobby:
Hmm hmm hmm! (low laughing)

Morey:
And start bustlin’!

Well, you see, they changed that. The translators never claimed inspiration. They knew that they were trying to do what they could. Their intent was right, but the fact is, they were dead wrong.

And anytime these cult people tell you that sheōl, the Old Testament word, or hadēs, the New Testament word, means “the grave,” they don’t quote “Hebrew or Greek scholars” [mocking voice]. They quote the Keeeeeng Jaaaaaames.

You see that? And that should be a tip-off.

Now the principle of approach, ‘cause we only have a few minutes here,...and by the way, I-I don’t mind give to an open challenge. Tim has done that before, if you’re one of these cultists, and you want—you feel that hell is the grave, and after death we all get off scot-free, and its ... unconsciousness and all of that. If you wanna debate that, in terms of the SCRIP-TURE,

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Not in terms of draggin’ out Ellen G. White, or Charles Taz—‘n’ sayin’ they were inspired of Gawd, I’m more than willing to debate you on this program. But it cannot be ... based upon ... your own subjective feelings...

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
...visions, all of that. Now did you know that the apostle Paul warned us ..

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Do not base your doctrines, on da Holy Ghost interpretations, subjective feeling... They say, “Well ah prayed, and ah know what this verse means, da HOLY GHOST to’d me!

Bobby:
God told me.

Morey:
Yeah, God told me... Of course these people bring out axes[??] and do all kinds of things. And you see, in Colossians 2, we are explicitly... Galatians 2—Colossians 2:18, the apostle Paul says “Do not listen to those who base their teachings upon personal visions, revelations from God...”

Morey:
God has revealed His truth, 1 Corinthians 2...

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
In SCRIP-TURE.

Bobby:
And you would have to ask, “Is the Canon closed, or is it open?”

Morey:
That’s right.

Bobby:
It is closed. He gave us every—

Bobby and Morey
[talking over each other]

Morey:
Now they don’t know what the word “canon”... They’re thinkin’ a pirates’ blow...

Bobby:
Right.

Morey:
It means, “The Bible is finished.” Uh, the first verse of the Bible,

Bereshith bara Elohim ha shamayim, ve ets...

“When the beginning began, God created the heavens and the earth outta nothing.”

And then the last book of the Bible, the Apocalypse, deals with the END.
Well, the Bible talks about the universe from the beginning to the end. Well, they much after the end.

Well, the first principle of approach is we’ve gotta go by scripture. The second, Don’t trust the King James. Any translation that has “grave” for either sheōl or hadēs is WRONG.

Now wh-wh-why would I say that?

Bobby:
Because the original manuscripts have what it is, which is hadēs, which is a place of disembodied spirits, is the way it’s translated—

Morey (over Bobby):
Now, now did we... how did you get there?

Bobby:
You’re giving me...

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Did Sheol originally mean, “hollowed-out”?

Morey (over Bobby):
Take the word, sheōl. Now it’s found in the Old Testament. And it originally meant, “hollowed-out”

Bobby:
hollowed... out... yeah.

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Is Sheol ever translated by “kever”?

Morey:
Now, is that Hebrew word ever translated by the Jews in the Greek, what we call the Septuagint, is it ever translated by the Greek word kever, for “grave?”

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Was the Septuagint translated by faithful men?

Bobby:
No, it is not.

Morey:
Not once?

Bobby:
No.

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Is Hades a compound term?

Morey:
Oooooooo! Not once. Now, when they cast about in the Hellenistic world, what is a Greek word that’s equivalent to sheol? They chose the word hades.

Bobby and Morey:
Hades.

Morey:
Now, hades is a compound ... term

Morey:
Originally meaning “the invisible world.”

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Where disembodied ... when your spirit ... when you died, your soul or your spirit, your mind, went there. But you can’t see it!

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
No.

Bobby:
It is invisible.

Morey:
It is invisible. Now, they chose that word, which means the Old Testament and its concept of death, that there’s a conscious afterlife, is buttressed in the New Testament, by exactly the same thing.

How many times does the untranslated Sheol appear in Bibles?

By the way, do you happen to know how many times sheol is translated hades?

Bobby:
Yes, we find, uh, we find sheol, uh 71 times.

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How many times does the untranslated Hades appear in Bibles?

Bobby:
And hadēs is a Greek equivalent to the Hebrew sheōl, but we find it, hades, 71 times, whereas we find sheol 64 times in the Old Testament.

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Is there such a thing as a simple “Septuagint Old Testament”?

Bobby:
And that’s a good question. Why is that?

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Does Job 38:17 really say “the realm of spirits”?

Morey:
Well, sometimes they’re translating a phrase. The book of Job is the first book of the Bible ever written. And there, for example, in Job 38:17, they translated from the Hebrew, which says, “the realm of spirits” – of souls disembodied. So they’ll do that there, as well.

Morey:
The main thing is this. Scholars have pointed out sheōl and hadēs refer to where people go after they die.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Now what’s very important —listen to me, people. We are living in a day and age with these Holy Ghost preachers giving Holy Ghost interpretation, that has nothing to do with the Bible. It’s their own subjective feeling.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Now when Paul went to interpret Genesis, where it said, “And God promised to Ibraham [sic], ‘And through your seed, all the families of the earth will be blessed,’” and he looks at the Greek text of that, did he observe grammatically anything?

Bobby:
He did. He said, “seed,” not “seeds” for plural.

Morey (with some words said also by Bobby):
So he noticed grammatically the difference between the singular and the plural and he said “that seed referred to Christ the Messiah”, ha Mashiah, baruch hashem. [The Messiah, blessed be the name —David]

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Now, um, that’s why Jesus did the same thing. You find we must pay attention to grammar...

Bobby:
And syntax.

Morey:
And context. And every verse out of context becomes a...

Bobby and Morey:
Pretext...

Bobby:
For false teaching and false living. Absolutely.

Morey:
Now if you’re a preacher, who stands in the pulpit, and says “The Hoooooooooly Ghost gave me a secret meaning of this verse,” head for the exit!

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Get out of there! You want a pastor who will open up the word and say “Now this is a noun, this is a verb, an adjective. Let’s see what the author said and what he meant by”— And he gives you a grammatical, historical, exegetical exposition of the... Not his personal “barf-ics.” I hate that. I go to churches, and the guy say, “We-e-ell, I was thinkin’ and the Lord showed me and told me, and...” Have you ever heard that nonsense?

Bobby:
I have. In fact, the Lord shows me through His word, and that’s how He talks to me, as well as through the Bible. And, but I’ve, I’ve heard that other stuff, and, it’s dangerous...

Morey (talking over Bobby):
Well, when it comes to doctrines and morals, the scripture tells us the Bible ONLY is where God speaks to us. So it’s, if you said, “Lorrrrrd, should I commit adultery? Oh, I feel in my spirit ...”

Bobby:
Hmm hmm hmm... (laughing)

Morey:
“...that this woman is so good she stirs me down under.” Now you’re trying to get morals from personal revelation. Whereas the Bible already said where it is.

Same thing with truth. When it comes to morals and truth, text and chapter. And if you ain’t got a Bible verse to support your doctrine, there’s the door. Go pound sand someplace.

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Does Hades mean “death”?

Now, uh, as we look at this, I think we can say... Let me ask you, I’ll give you a quick queues.

Bobby:
Quiz.

Morey:
Does hades mean “death”?

Bobby:
Does hades mean “death”?

Morey:
Is it ever translated “death,” in modern translations?

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
No, is there uh, is a perfectly good Greek word for hadē— uh, for “death?”

Bobby:
Yes, there is.

Morey:
And, uh, so they never picked it, did they?

Bobby:
No, they didn’t.

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What is the regular Greek word for the “grave”?

Morey:
No, they didn’t. Let me give you another quiz. Uh, is Hades the grave?

Bobby:
Uh, no, it is not. There is another, as well, perfectly good word for the grave. I believe it’s mneema.

Morey:
Yeah. And here’s another question for you. Is Hades Hell? Now, here is where the King James is very, very inconsistent. Someplace they put hadēs as “the grave,” and another place they put it at “hell.” Is it Hell, according to Christian theology?

Bobby:
No, it is not.

Morey:
It is not. Do we know what it isn’t? Uh, well, what in the world, uh, is Hades, and how do we get there? What’s the first principle that must be emphasized?

Bobby:
Well, we must emphasize the principle of progressive revelation to understand—

Morey:
Now what does that mean?

Bobby:
Well, it’s uh, Hebrews 1:1 through 3 is clear, that over time God had given His word to the prophets, so on, so forth, as it goes, and now to us more full. It—

Morey:
I’m gonna paraphrase, “in drips and drabs.”

Bobby:
In drips and drags.

Morey:
And I think that when my children are a little bit go to the beach, and I’d make a sand castle.

Bobby:
Mn hmm.

Morey:
And you’re drippin’ that wet sand till you build the castle for the child.

Bobby:
Yeah.

Morey:
Well, in other words, the Bible didn’t fall out of the sky, like the Mooslems claim for the Qur’an.

Bobby:
Right.

Morey:
It took 2,000 years over 40 different authors, drips and drabs through this prophet and whatnot, through this on down the line. So God revealed His truth, progressively, little by little.

And then you must have progressive—

Morey and Bobby:
Understanding.

Bobby:
As well.

Morey:
That as God’s people understood more, as God revealed more.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Now all the cults love to say, “Well, on the subject of death, the book of Ecclesiastes is the most important.” Now what ...have they violated the principle of progressive revelation?

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
Now why have they?

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Is Ecclesiastes 1-11 really just a humanist look upon life?

Bobby:
Um, well, it’s pretty clear the book of Ecclesiastes is, a lot of it is, man’s look upon life, uh, all the way up until the 12th chapter.

Morey:
The humanist —

Morey and Bobby:
The humanist look, yes.

Morey (over Bobby):
Ecclesiastes 10:19, “money’s the answer to everything.”

Bobby:
Right.

Morey:
That’s not a godly answer.

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
And he begins by saying, well first look at what the unsaved man does under the sun.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
But more for progressive revelation, the New Testament interprets the Old Testament.

Bobby:
And exactly.

Morey:
And not the Old, the New.

Bobby:
Yes, the New, right.

Morey:
So, you’ll deal with the cult of let’s say, some Adventist or Jehovah’s Witness, something like that. And you’ll say, “Absent from the body present with the”—

—“Oh, no! Ecclesiastes said the dead don’t blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!

Bobby:
Right.

Morey:
See, they run to Ecclesiastes. In my book, Death and the Afterlife. You can go to faithdefenders.com to get that book. It’s a textbook used in over 15 seminaries.

Bobby:
Mmm, wow.

Morey:
Nominated for book of the year.

Bobby:
And the most extensive work on the topic.

Morey:
Yes! It’s having to do with what happens when you die.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
And where do you go. Now in the New Testament we find our understanding ... increased under the revelations given to the apostles and to Jesus.

Morey:
So that Hades today ... is that a place where everybody goes, or only the unbeliever goes?

Bobby:
Only the unbeliever, because Paul said it’s clear that now to be absent of the body is to be present with the Lord. And this is what—

Morey:
—That’s not speakin’ o’ wicked, is it?

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
No.

Bobby:
No, not at all.

Morey:
It says the rich... the rich man, he opened up his eyes ...

Morey and Bobby:
In Hades. Yeah.

Morey:
Yeah, and see, when you die, and you don’t know Jesus, you can end up in Hades.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
But that’s only the waiting room.

Bobby:
Because it’s clear, as in Revelation 20:14, “Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.”

Morey:
Yes!

Bobby:
“This is the second death, the lake of fire.” So that’s—

Morey:
Most people think, don’t understand, Hades will end.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
It will be dropped into Gehenna...

Bobby:
Gehenna, the lake of fire.

Morey:
...which is the final punishment, and that’s where they go. So if you’re not saved and you’re listening to this broadcast, uh, you’re gonna go to a temporary place of torment.

Bobby:
Yes.

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Does it say that angels that sinned are
“being tormented,” in 2 Peter 2:4?

Morey:
And it is torment. The Greek says, “being tormented,” there in Peter.

Bobby:
That they’re held in prison, being tormented.

Morey:
Uh, but then that ain’t the end of it.

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
It’s just like the waiting room. You have a little bit of discomfort before you go see the dentist. And when you get in Gehenna, that’s when the drill comes out and they begin to drill your teeth.

Bobby:
Yes. And to not get it confused, you cannot pay or pray your way out of this place.

Morey:
You mean I can’t pay money to Rome and get the—

Bobby:
Hebrews—you cannot. Hebrews 9:27 is clear, that is for man to be appointed to death once, and then the judgment. So you die once, you go to one of two places, then the judgment comes.

Morey:
But some people died twice, though.

Bobby:
Well that’s... that’s the death of the flesh, and then the second death, which is, where Hades is tossed.

Morey:
Well, that’s just one cradle and two crypts, but he didn’t survive the second crypt.
No. You see, this is... A resurrection is an anomaly.

Bobby:
Yes.

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Is it true that no Greek or Hebrew scholar would say Hades or Sheol is the grave?

Morey:
It’s proof of the coming resurrection. So Hades is not the grave. You would agree?

Bobby:
No. I agree.

Morey:
No Greek and Hebrew scholar would say that it is.

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List: How Sheol is translated throughout the King James Old Testament.

Morey:
Uh, the King James had a mistake, by putting the word “grave” for sheōl and hadēs...

Bobby:
Yes.

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Which Bible does Morey believe and trust?

Morey:
So don’t get tripped up by that. I personally like the New American Standard.

Morey:
Or the EVS. That’s a good translation.

Morey:
The IS— there’s some good translation—

Morey:
Not the New World.

Bobby:
Oh, no.

Morey:
Don’t get that bastardized translation by the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
They just put together whatever they wanted and changed everything. Or the liberals, the Anchor Bible. Don’t get that one either.

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
Now, what does this mean very simply? I have accepted Jesus as my Saviour. What happens to me when I die? Do I just go to sleep in the grave? What hap—

Bobby:
No, you don’t. What happens when you die is you go to be with the Lord for all eternity. And again, remember it’s important to remember that you’re already going somewhere upon the death of the body. It’s either in torment, or it’s gonna be in comfort and in peace with Christ. One of the two.

Morey:
Yeah, Paul says that to die is gain. [Philippians 1:21 – David]

Bobby:
Gain.

Morey:
It’s not loss.

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
You’re not gonna lose your fellowship with God.

Now, uh secondly, uh, if you don’t know the Lord today, and you’re listening to this program, or you’re listening on the internet, can any organized religion save you? Or is it only a personal encounter with Jesus Christ?

Bobby:
It is only a personal encounter with Jesus Christ.

Morey:
Now, can Muhammad save you?

Bobby:
No, he cannot.

Morey:
What about Buddha?

Bobby:
Oh, no.

Morey:
What about Habahollah?

Bobby:
Oh, no.

Bobby and Morey:
Haba—no he no, absolutely.

Morey:
Ho-a? of the Báb and all that? And the Bahá'íism? Can Father Divine?

Bobby:
Being good can’t save you. Your works cannot save you.

Morey:
Nope, nope, nope. Your only hope ...

Bobby:
Is through Jesus Christ.

Morey:
Is through Jesus Christ. And salvation is by grace,

Morey and Bobby:
Alone, through faith... alone, in Christ ... alone, according to the

Bobby:
Bible

Morey:
Authority of scripture ...

Morey and Bobby:
Alone.

Morey:
And I figure, with those “alones,” we have enough to say, grace alone, faith alone,

Morey and Bobby:
Christ alone,

Bobby:
Scripture, rest alone

Morey:
And leave everything else alone.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
And I think that’s important.

Well, you’re listening to Jesus and Tim in Las Vegas. You want to listen to this program again you go to the website, jesusandtim.org ...

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
And to contact me, and to get ahold of the book Death and the Afterlife used in 15 —even a Greek Orthodox seminary used it.

Bobby:
It’s an awesome book.

Morey:
Yeah.

Bobby:
It has helped me tremendously.

Morey:
And the Catholics use it!

Bobby:
Wow.

Morey:
Well it’s just based on scholarship. It don’t matter what brand is on your hide, it’s there.

Bobby:
Yeah.

Morey:
Faithdefenders.com, or you can call 1-800-41TRUTH. 1-800-41TRUTH, and tell ‘em ... and leave your address, your email address, and “How do I get that book, Death and the Afterlife?” Because folks, far as I know, death is still one per customer.

Bobby:
Yes. Hmm hmm hmm (low laughs)

Morey:
We have an appointment that we have to keep.

Bobby:
Yes.

Morey:
And with Death coming with his sickle ... now you may take vitamins ...

Bobby:
Mmm, hmm.

Morey:
You may go to the chiropractor, you may go get massages, take health pills, homeopath— When your time comes to die, and God has appointed your time...

Bobby:
Yeah. Yes.

Morey:
Guess what?

Bobby:
That’s it.

Morey:
You are going ... to die. Does it matter how much money you have?

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
What, uh, what organized religion you think you belong to ...

Morey and Bobby:
No.

Morey:
It’s only one issue: what will you do with Jesus? Neutral you cannot be.

Bobby:
No.

Morey:
For one day ... you will be asking, “What will He ... do ... with me?”

Well, thank you so much, Bobby, for joining us,

Bobby:
Absolutely thanks for having me.

Morey:
And, uh, you are listening to Jesus and Tim, uh, dot org in Las Vegas, and let me tell you right now, this is truth that transform. God bless each and every one of you, Baruch ha Shem. [Hebrew, “Blessed be the Name” —David]

Bobby:
Jesus’ name.

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